Tulpa.info - metaphysics

how do we know that we aren't already at that point? since that loop will happen infinite times, and all other loops will only happen a finite amount of times, there is a nearly 100% chance that we are on the stable time loop

Like I said it isn't branches like you are thinking of it. These are irregularities in the timeline which get straightened out and then pretty much dismissed.

I'm not currently thinking of it as branches

I didn't actually experience these different outcomes, it just feels like I did because I feel the emotion and lack of emotion which happened within that loop. I never went through it myself.

Take complete and utter consciousness totality, where all consciousness have joined together in unity and have experienced everything to be experienced. Total conscious unity is terrifying for everyone and everything involved. Theres nothing new, everything is and has been experienced a million times over. So much screaming. So what did we do? We separated ourselves again. That's where my theory on what causes a big bang starts and ends. Never heard someone make the same reference, so you're welcome to bounce this off of whatever meta knowledge you have. But I'm unreasonably sure that this is how universes begin, with an end to unity. But yeah. This is the point in time where we reach the head of the serpent which also happens to be the tail.

more as nearly parallel timelines influencing each other

I went through it.

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Cured my depression when I did like I said. It was THAT scary and horrendous

Parallel timelines are a different thing

I like your big bang theory Rome

Thank you! It feels right just based on what I experienced and everything involved. But I'm no physicist so I'm not going to sit on outrageous claims like they're certainly it

parallel timelines seems like just an better way to conceptualize time writing over itself with future information, because time writing over itself would mean that time was acting on time, or meta time if you will

Breloomancer

parallel timelines seems like just an better way to conceptualize time writing over itself with future information, because time writing over itself would mean that time was acting on time, or meta time if you will

That would explain mandela effects tbh

I think youre gonna like my thoughts on enlightenment, even if you dont 100 % agree with them

Shoot!

Cant be bothered on my phone, gonna do my breathing and shower and then type it out

Gotcha. Take your time. I'll be back on here later

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I can't really explain this anymore, just that parallel timelines aren't whats happening. It is a singular timeline looping back on itself.

But yeah. Mandela effects make sense as to how time affects time. But it doesn't explain how one person saw this and then saw something completely different

a singular timeline looping back on itself is the same as a parallel timeline getting information from a different timeline, but with parallel timelines you don't have to involve metatime

I'm not one to give parallel timelines much credit, but how would one explain mandela effects? I remember the dude from Tianenmen square getting ran over when I was a kid, saw brutal pictures that made me cry and everything. Then a decade later I find out he never did die and I can't find those pictures AT ALL

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So what reality was I living in when that actually did happen? Many other remember the same thing too

well I don't think that the mandela effect needs magic or whatever to explain it. people just misremember things

Nahhhhh son. Theres one thing from misremembering a tiny event and remembering something really significant completely

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If I have a whole ass emotional experience over an event, and then that event didn't actually happen, what does that say over what happened with me?

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OR remembering a whole ass dude dying in prison

people are bad at remembering things and prone to confusing different memories with each other. it really isn't that strange

Yeah, but thats soooooo dismissive

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like annoyingly dismissive. Its the same dismissive behavior that keeps OBE's out of the spotlight in science

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Its easy to just write off a person as crazy. But thats bullshit

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You can literally explain anything away

I am willing to be dismissive of the idea that the mandela effect is from parallel timelines or whatever because there is already a lot of evidence for the faulty memory thing

Not saying people don't have faulty memory. But for large MASSES of people to remember something that hapened wrong is crazy

every instance of the mandela effect where a large amount of people are misremembering things on a large scale has a very sound memory based explaination

But this is literally just explaining the extraordinary away

Yeah, I think a lot of the time it is just falsely correlated memories because they make more sense that way. Such as the fact Nelson Mandela was arrested and it was a big deal then we didn't hear about it so it was almost like he died.

People say they saw headlines of him dying

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Just like I saw the pictures of the dude dead in the street

Rome

But this is literally just explaining the extraordinary away

Kind of the point of science, isnt it?

Maybe it was another person or something

To be arrogant? Yeah, I guess so.

the extraordinary and mystical is only that way until you understand it, then it becomes mundane

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Nah not to be arrogant, just because of Occam's razor

Science explaining away stuff is out of arrogance for the meta almost always

I dont think most scientists are arrogant

When it comes to metaphysics, most are

5:34 PM

Dismissing people's experiences is one of pet peeves. Writing them off comes second

Fair enough. Im still only like 50-50 on metaphysics being real, but I'm 80 % on sasquatch being real, and scientists are incredibly dismissive of that

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(At least most)

Because its easy to say that people mistook what they saw. black bears standing on its 2 feet or other bears could look exactly what bigfoot looks like.

Yeah

I mean, aren't you sort of being dismissive about the faulty memory explanation? I've already thought about it quite a bit, and it seems like a very likely explanation. giving things undue consideration just for the sake of not being dismissive isn't a very good reason imo

Its easy to explain things away than it is to trust someone's experiences. Thats why modern science, in its current form, frustrates me

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To investigate meta stuff, we HAVE to rely on empirical evidence and thats not a enough for science nowadays which is kind of ridiculous

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Understandable? yes. But still ridiculous

Alright @Rome So the following is my summary of a conceptual framework taught by Roger Castillo and developed by his teacher Ramesh Balsekar, whose teacher in turn (Nisargadatta) came from a lineage of classical Hindu non-dual teachings called advaita vedanta. Non-dual teachings deliver concepts such as "you are God", "everything is one", "your body and the world aren't real, there is only consciousness" and so forth. There's a concept saying "don't mistake awakenings for enlightenment." In Roger's framework, the awakenings are described as two awakenings to our "true nature" as consciousness, which has two aspects: formless awareness, and the impersonal sense of "I am." Awakening to our "true nature" (or rather, the one half of us that we have "forgotten", the other half being the body/mind organism at the center of the experience) is sort of one half of the spiritual seeking process that may eventually lead to enlightenment. The other half is inquiring into the nature of our unhappiness and why it arises. Roger asks, "in practical terms, what will the spiritual seeking process deliver that you didn't have before?" I. e., what good is it to recognize your nature as impersonal consciousness if in practical terms, you are unhappy? The suggested answer is that enlightenment is really the end of unhappiness, and the framework details what unhappiness is. It describes that circumstance (the content of our consciousness experience) is always either (physical/emotional) pleasure or pain. Unhappiness is a psychological attitude of thoughts about circumstance. This attitude manifests as 1. guilt and shame, 2. blame and hatred, 3. pride and arrogance, 4. worry and anxiety, 5. expectation and resistance. (edited)

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This attitude is based on two false beliefs: A) The belief in personal doership, and B) attachment to outcomes (believing that happiness results from pleasure and unhappiness results from pain). When these beliefs are recognized to be completely inaccurate, the attitude of unhappiness dissolves. It turns out that happiness is simply the absence of unhappiness (guilt, blame, pride, worry and expectation): unbroken peace of mind regardless of circumstantial pleasure or pain. That is enlightenment. (edited)

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I would have elaborated a little more but I've gotta run to catch the bus lol

good rundown on this marissa

Thanks, person I dont think Ive seen before :)

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Oh yeah looks like youre new, welcome! :)

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One footnote, now that Im on the bus: Cirumstance includes physical and emotional pleasure and pain. Joy, love, excitement, sadness, anger are all emotions arising in circumstance, unconnected to whether we're (un)happy. Sadness and anger in the moment are unproblematic without the added load of guilt, blame and expectation extending in time

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Whereas joy and excitement may also be accompanied by guilt, expectation and so forth

Beautiful description. I definitely see that as one form of enlightenment, ending suffering in one's experience. (suffering being different from pain, pain being something unavoidable)

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It has Hermetic references to it as well, with the concept of I am being used truly.

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I don't really believe in a one dead set enlightenment that ends there. There's a proverb that goes "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him." That proverb meaning if you think you've found enlightenment, you haven't. You might have but there will always be further steps upwards.

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But I definitely agree with what you're saying being one form of enlightenment that a person can come to

Haha Roger quotes that concept a lot too

I think it's hard to reach proper enlightenment in today's society without being seen as a bum. back in the day followers would leave their families and just become ascetic as a step towards letting go of worldly attachment

And yeah unhappiness = suffering, which is different from pain, as you say

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The end of suffering may not be "the end of the road" (we always learn more as life goes on), but it is enlightenment in the sense that anything else (like astral travel, special powers etc) is just cherries on top, i. e. more circumstantial pleasure

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(For the record, I came across Roger's framework about three years ago, and while it 100 % makes sense to me, my own suffering is still going fairly strong haha)

grangp

I think it's hard to reach proper enlightenment in today's society without being seen as a bum. back in the day followers would leave their families and just become ascetic as a step towards letting go of worldly attachment

Asceticism is probably very beneficial towards the end of attachment to outcomes, but it's not necessary. But you're right in that the end of suffering does not mean the end of circumstantial pain, such as being judged by other people

8:07 PM

A life without circumstantial pain is not possible, nor is it necessary in order to be happy/"enlightened"

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grangp

I think it's hard to reach proper enlightenment in today's society without being seen as a bum. back in the day followers would leave their families and just become ascetic as a step towards letting go of worldly attachment

If you don't follow the capitalist model of a good life, you're scum in a lot of people's eyes. It's really disturbing

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Got told off by someone I thought was a friend for being on unemployment during this pandemic

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Rather be on unemployment "leeching from the system" than putting myself and other's lives on the line for jobs that couldn't give two shits about my mental or physical well-being.

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But yeah. I've thought about leaving everything behind and just joining a commune on plenty of occasions. Normal life here in the US and in a lot of "developed" countries just isn't right in so many ways.

Communal life sounds very appealing to me too

Myself and other people remember that the public was not allowed to go to Antarctica, but now the public has been allowed there for decades. For this to just be bad memory on my part, I would need to have multiple memories of things that never happened.

Ehh I donno. Could also be youve talked to some Flat Earthers, who hold beliefs like that about Antarctica

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Or you read an outdated textbook about it

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Remind me what the alternate explanation for the Mandela effect is? Something about parallel universes?

here's how you disprove flat Earth

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sail to Antarctica

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turn left 90 degrees

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sail around Antarctica

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if you have to veer slightly to the left to do one lap, the Earth is flat

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if you have to veer slightly to the right to do one lap, the Earth is a ball

But thats what Im saying, Flat Earthers believe that Antarctica is guarded by armed personnel that would prevent anyone from going there to find out

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Some version of which might be what led mr. anon "and other people" to believe that the public isnt allowed there (edited)

the other way to disprove flat Earth is to just look at the stars

Flat Earthers dont believe that the stars are stars

go north and they rotate around Polaris, go south and they rotate around the opposite axis

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whether they are stars or holes in the firmament is irrelevant, the fact that there are 2 axes that the stars rotate around is what matters (edited)

I know a Flat Earther whos been on a plane from Germany to Japan and maintains the horizon looked completely flat

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You cant reason with them

isn't their motto "there's flat earthers all over the globe"?

lmao

Lmao if true